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 Post subject: Alice/Blood Money outtakes thing
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:39 pm 
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Hey, what's up people. Just stumbled upon this site while looking for info on a recording/compilation of what appears to be outtakes from the Alice Money sessions. It also contains a cool version of Jersey Girl that I actually like (never cared much for the original studio), as well as what appears to be some Danish? (Not sure of the language; stupid American here) thespians doing a version of Coney Island Baby. Fantastic version's of "Everything Goes to Hell" and "All the World is Green", and a strange "Table Top Joe" accompanied by "Bone Machine"-esque xylophone/marimba.

Anyway, I can't seem to find any info on it online. I received an unlabeled cd-r from a random dude at a Dead show (Bob & Phil, not Grateful) during summer tour somewhere on the east coast, ca 2003/2004. Had ripped it to a hdd that same year and never really listened to it until recently.

So if anyone knows what this is and can fill me in that would be great. I have a feeling it is some persons' compilation, but the bulk of the "bootleg" is for sure Alice/Blood Money sessions, so it originated from something quasi-official, I suspect.

BTW, I used the search function here, but my results were a jumbled mess so it is very possible this has been discussed on here a million times and I just missed it.

Regardless, I'm glad I found this site. Looks cool as hell


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Hey, what's up people. Just stumbled upon this site while looking for info on a recording/compilation of what appears to be outtakes from the Alice Money sessions. It also contains a cool version of Jersey Girl that I actually like (never cared much for the original studio), as well as what appears to be some Danish? (Not sure of the language; stupid American here) thespians doing a version of Coney Island Baby. Fantastic version's of "Everything Goes to Hell" and "All the World is Green", and a strange "Table Top Joe" accompanied by "Bone Machine"-esque xylophone/marimba.

Anyway, I can't seem to find any info on it online. I received an unlabeled cd-r from a random dude at a Dead show (Bob & Phil, not Grateful) during summer tour somewhere on the east coast, ca 2003/2004. Had ripped it to a hdd that same year and never really listened to it until recently.

So if anyone knows what this is and can fill me in that would be great. I have a feeling it is some persons' compilation, but the bulk of the "bootleg" is for sure Alice/Blood Money sessions, so it originated from something quasi-official, I suspect.

BTW, I used the search function here, but my results were a jumbled mess so it is very possible this has been discussed on here a million times and I just missed it.

Regardless, I'm glad I found this site. Looks cool as hell


Hi! Welcome to the group!

The Table Top version you describe sound like it could be the one from the Alice demos. I don't know if you've heard the story, but Tom's demos for the Alice play in Hamburg in 1992 were stolen from a car, and were released without his involvement. It's a great album in its own right and I'm sure you could find it online somewhere.

I don't know what the Blood Money tracks could be. No outtakes have surfaced as far as I know. But live recordings from the theatre have been doing the rounds. Are they live och studio?


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 Post subject: Re: Alice/Blood Money outtakes thing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:13 pm 
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The Alice Demos are here :

Tom Waits - Alice The Original Demos. The 28 tracks version. mp3 (320)

https://dfiles.eu/files/cigy7gufh

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:27 pm 
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Your discription of Jersey Girl sounds like the version from the 1981 Bounced Checks 12" vinyl.

The Danish song could come from the Danish Betty Nansen Theater's performance of woyzeck :

http://www.robertwilson.com/woyzeck/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LD-sDlandU

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Wafflehead_77 wrote:
Hey, what's up people. Just stumbled upon this site while looking for info on a recording/compilation of what appears to be outtakes from the Alice Money sessions. It also contains a cool version of Jersey Girl that I actually like (never cared much for the original studio), as well as what appears to be some Danish? (Not sure of the language; stupid American here) thespians doing a version of Coney Island Baby. Fantastic version's of "Everything Goes to Hell" and "All the World is Green", and a strange "Table Top Joe" accompanied by "Bone Machine"-esque xylophone/marimba.

Anyway, I can't seem to find any info on it online. I received an unlabeled cd-r from a random dude at a Dead show (Bob & Phil, not Grateful) during summer tour somewhere on the east coast, ca 2003/2004. Had ripped it to a hdd that same year and never really listened to it until recently.

So if anyone knows what this is and can fill me in that would be great. I have a feeling it is some persons' compilation, but the bulk of the "bootleg" is for sure Alice/Blood Money sessions, so it originated from something quasi-official, I suspect.

BTW, I used the search function here, but my results were a jumbled mess so it is very possible this has been discussed on here a million times and I just missed it.

Regardless, I'm glad I found this site. Looks cool as hell


Hi! Welcome to the group!

The Table Top version you describe sound like it could be the one from the Alice demos. I don't know if you've heard the story, but Tom's demos for the Alice play in Hamburg in 1992 were stolen from a car, and were released without his involvement. It's a great album in its own right and I'm sure you could find it online somewhere.

I don't know what the Blood Money tracks could be. No outtakes have surfaced as far as I know. But live recordings from the theatre have been doing the rounds. Are they live och studio?


I had not heard the story of the tapes being stolen, it's fascinating though. I searched all over the place for "Alice Sessions" and "Alice Outtakes", never even thought of demo! Pretty sad for a musician (of sorts).

I'm downloading the Alice demo as I type this and I am going to go over the songs that appeared on Blood Money to make sure they are not just really poor transfers of the final studio version.

I will also break out the good headphones and listen to make sure these are not live recordings. I hesitate to give a definitive answer on this as I've noticed a few of the "demo's" I thought I had of Waits were actually just FM appearances or pitch-corrected, cleaned-up live performances with the crowd noise rolled-off as much as possible.

I'll compare this cd with the Alice demo's and Blood Money proper and then get back to you. If they seem to be unique I'll post them for all to download.

Thanks for the info & the welcome!


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happyrudolph: Thanks for the links. I saw some of your posts/links to shows in a thread I was browsing last night and I have finally started finding Waits 'legs at a quality I can listen to!

Lemme explain... I Loooovvvveee Live music. Love it. However, I'm a huge Grateful Dead/Jerry Band fan, and have been since high school. I'm sure you're aware of the lifetimes worth of aud/sdb/matrix recordings available, so by the time I was 18 my snobbery for live music quality was being honed to a razor edge. This was turn of the millennium, so archive.org and etree had everything; sometimes 6-7 separate source recordings of the same show. I quickly learned which tapers to look for (and anything Charlie Miller for soundboards, and betty boards, etc) so the last 20 years has found me listening to uncompressed sbd's of better quality than most other bands "studio" live albums, with their over-dubbing, splicing of multi-nights together, etc.

God, Im rambling... So I never adjusted to crowd noise and tape hiss. I still own 30-ish Waits bootlegs, and I did listen to them, just never like I did the studio albums. Though one from '79 Titled "Cold Beer on a Hot Night" got a lot of play. Silent Night>Xmas Card/Hooker in Minneapolis is brilliant. Anyway, I've been grabbing all these cleaned-up shows I saw on the front page, at least the ones with live links. I have quite a few of these already but these are of much better quality than what I picked up over a decade ago. So thank you!

mikalebrug: This "thing" I have is nothing but 2/3 of Alice demos, with some pretty well known versions of live covers, 2 tracks of dead air... and the Blood Money tracks? This is so embarrassing, haha, but they are the studio versions! It must have been some type of placebo effect; there were these clearly strange tracks from Alice that I knew were not "normal", some other low-res tracks, etc and I guess I just forced myself to NOT recognize "Everything Goes To Hell" and "All the World is Green" as they appear on Blood Money. I'd like to be able to say that I was so enamored with Alice that Blood Money got no love, but no... Blood Money was, when it first got its hooks in me, my favorite Waits album (Just like Mule Variations, Rain Dogs, Bone Machine, Small Change when I first fell for them, respectively). So yeah, I have every bass line and twangy guitar solo (I play double bass/few other strings, so it sticks out) lyric, stomp, scream, memorized on that album, yet I still convinced myself I was hearing a different version. As for "Jersey Girl", wasn't Bounced Checks version, thats the only one I ever listen to. Ripped straight from Heartattack&Vine, ha. In my defense, aside from "on the nickel", that album just never did it for me. Still pretty pathetic to not know it was a studio rip though.


Sorry for being so long-winded, and really sorry for wasting your time! I do greatly appreciate what I've learned, and might just have to stick around to learn some more. Thank you guys again!


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Woyzeck 2002 Compilation mp3 (320) :

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Wafflehead_77 wrote:
happyrudolph: Thanks for the links. I saw some of your posts/links to shows in a thread I was browsing last night and I have finally started finding Waits 'legs at a quality I can listen to!

Lemme explain... I Loooovvvveee Live music. Love it. However, I'm a huge Grateful Dead/Jerry Band fan, and have been since high school. I'm sure you're aware of the lifetimes worth of aud/sdb/matrix recordings available, so by the time I was 18 my snobbery for live music quality was being honed to a razor edge. This was turn of the millennium, so archive.org and etree had everything; sometimes 6-7 separate source recordings of the same show. I quickly learned which tapers to look for (and anything Charlie Miller for soundboards, and betty boards, etc) so the last 20 years has found me listening to uncompressed sbd's of better quality than most other bands "studio" live albums, with their over-dubbing, splicing of multi-nights together, etc.

God, Im rambling... So I never adjusted to crowd noise and tape hiss. I still own 30-ish Waits bootlegs, and I did listen to them, just never like I did the studio albums. Though one from '79 Titled "Cold Beer on a Hot Night" got a lot of play. Silent Night>Xmas Card/Hooker in Minneapolis is brilliant. Anyway, I've been grabbing all these cleaned-up shows I saw on the front page, at least the ones with live links. I have quite a few of these already but these are of much better quality than what I picked up over a decade ago. So thank you!

mikalebrug: This "thing" I have is nothing but 2/3 of Alice demos, with some pretty well known versions of live covers, 2 tracks of dead air... and the Blood Money tracks? This is so embarrassing, haha, but they are the studio versions! It must have been some type of placebo effect; there were these clearly strange tracks from Alice that I knew were not "normal", some other low-res tracks, etc and I guess I just forced myself to NOT recognize "Everything Goes To Hell" and "All the World is Green" as they appear on Blood Money. I'd like to be able to say that I was so enamored with Alice that Blood Money got no love, but no... Blood Money was, when it first got its hooks in me, my favorite Waits album (Just like Mule Variations, Rain Dogs, Bone Machine, Small Change when I first fell for them, respectively). So yeah, I have every bass line and twangy guitar solo (I play double bass/few other strings, so it sticks out) lyric, stomp, scream, memorized on that album, yet I still convinced myself I was hearing a different version. As for "Jersey Girl", wasn't Bounced Checks version, thats the only one I ever listen to. Ripped straight from Heartattack&Vine, ha. In my defense, aside from "on the nickel", that album just never did it for me. Still pretty pathetic to not know it was a studio rip though.


Sorry for being so long-winded, and really sorry for wasting your time! I do greatly appreciate what I've learned, and might just have to stick around to learn some more. Thank you guys again!


Hi Waffelhead77,

It's always great to meet another Tom Waits fan. You should try to check Nathan Detroit out. He has made

some impressive remasters of some of the better Tom Waits shows. I'm a big fan of his work.

The links to his remastered shows are here below.

Cheers,

Happyrudolf :blues:


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