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Yes, it's a fantastic record. Also one of my favorites. I got myself badly hooked on Roxy right at the beginning and never got over it. It's still my favorite Zappa album. And band. And tour.

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Never really understood Zappa and Beefheart. The have both got undoubted talent but seemed to waste it with out and out stupidity. Give me the old blues singers, give me Tom Waits but Zappa and Beefheart, what's the point. They are a wasteland of silly little 1960's middle class hippie humour. Beefheart had a resonable voice but thought he should be bigger than Elvis. Zappa needed his bottom smacking when he was 5 and be told to stop being silly.


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Never really understood Zappa and Beefheart. The have both got undoubted talent but seemed to waste it with out and out stupidity. Give me the old blues singers, give me Tom Waits but Zappa and Beefheart, what's the point. They are a wasteland of silly little 1960's middle class hippie humour. Beefheart had a resonable voice but thought he should be bigger than Elvis. Zappa needed his bottom smacking when he was 5 and be told to stop being silly.



That used to be my point of view as well. So much, in fact, that I turned down a ticket to go see the 1988 tour in Norway. It's just rubbish, I said.

Hindsight is 20-20, right?
I've got 50 Zappa LPs to prove myself wrong, now.

And the man himself is dead, of course.

There's a lot of silly weirdness on many of the Zappa albums. Sure.
But give yourself another chance. I think I would recommend to buy two live-CDs from him and try again:

- Zappa & The Mothers, Roxy & Elsewhere
This is, by far, my favorite Zappa album. Incredible band and Zappa at the peak! 1974. Glorious!

- Zappa, Make a jazz-noise here, 1991
This is, by far, my favorite Zappa album, too!
This is the peak of everything Zappa ever wrote and played. He takes guitar to a different level. The sound is incredible, the playing sublime - he said in interviews he'd had to re-learn playing guitar for the '88 tour. The list of songs contain some of the more complex compositions, the mood is slightly darker than the other two albums released from this tour and it's also the end of Zappa.
Probably the one I listen to the most. After Roxy, that is.

There are countless recordings of every tour he ever did and if you're interested in giving Zappa another go, the gigs he played in the late 70s and early 80s in New York City for Halloween are amazing.
They go on and on and on and on and have an energy which is incredible.
Fuelled by a completely mad crowd!

Another way of getting into the Zappa universe is to go see Zappa Plays Zappa. Dweezil really takes it seriously and plays the hell out of the entire catalog. With an incredible band.

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Had an old friend some years ago who used to love Zappa, but he tried to get me into Yes as well. I think it's a generational thing. Or a dope thing. I'm post punk. Even Dylan puts me off when he goes over 4 minutes for a song. What can't be said in 4 minutes with 4 verses? I can take 'It's all over now baby blue' but that's as long as it gets. Almost bought Bongo Fury earlier this year because I liked the cover and thought I would reappraise, killing two birds with one stone, but it's still in my 'save for later' basket. Should I keep it there? I've got a set of bongos though.... I could play along, but there's an 11 minute track and I'm no hippy, I can't pretend to chill out for 11 minutes, or groove on it... or whatever hippies do these days. 11 minutes for one song, c'mon, he's 'avin a laugh.

....There's also 'The Muffin man goes to college' with them both on, but that's got two over 10 minute tracks on it. You can only say ' yer heavy maaaan' so many times. What were they thinking in the 70's.


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Blind Willie Johnson wrote:
They are a wasteland of silly little 1960's middle class hippie humour.

If there was one who ridiculed the hippies it was Zappa.


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......... and the more he did it, the more they loved him. Hippies were of course way down his hit list though. 'It's the system and 'the man' maaaan'.

Still, it was long ago and far away and the world was younger than today.


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Blind Willie Johnson wrote:
......... and the more he did it, the more they loved him. Hippies were of course way down his hit list though. 'It's the system and 'the man' maaaan'.

Still, it was long ago and far away and the world was younger than today.


And today is the first day of the rest of your life ... what's your point?

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Hippies hated everything but themselves. They loved themselves. :love:


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Still, it was long ago and far away and the world was younger than today.

Probably the first time anyone's quoted Janis Ian on this forum....

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And today is the first day of the rest of your life ... what's your point?[/quote]

Don't worry surfboy, nobody will take your Zappa away from you. Calm down.


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The Kings of the Antelope Valley. A brilliant 1950s to 1970s combination of DADA, Delta Blues, Mad Magazine, Magritte, and Raymond Scott.

Totally deconstructed pop and blues music and reassembled it with incredible musicians. Closest yet to merging modern art and music.

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And maybe the closest you should go before you descend into a comic mess, oh no, too late.


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